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AvG Geek Wannabe
Jumlah posting : 28 Lokasi : karawaci Registration date : 01.02.08
| Subyek: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:20 am | |
| gw baru pertama kali ke tempat-nya mario, n ini game adalah oleh" yg gw bawa dari sana + g sama skali ga nyesel beli nih game.. g bkal coba review nih game, krn g suka nih game.. walopun g tipe org yg 'learning by doing' tp anggep aja share ke komunitas kita yg imut ini so let's start.. Shogun is based on d Wallenstein ( same designer Dirk Henn n same publisher Queen ) game system. The game is set in d Sengoku period (approx 1467-1573) which ends with d inception of d well-known Tokugawa Shogunate.. d game won 2007 BoardGameGeek Golden Geek Game of the Year. Best Gamer's Game.. - players 3 to 5
- playing time approx 120 mnt (bs, only for beginners)
- suggested age 12 yo and up
- category : economic
- low to medium random change, but resource management skill take quite a big part in this game imo
n for d mechanics (one of the best part of the game) : - Simultaneous Action Selection means each player picks his action for d turn secretly and then all moves r resolved simultaneously
- Variable Phase Order order of d phases changes from turn to turn; not all phases may be present every turn
salah satu aspek yg gw suka dari turn yg berubah" itu membuat flow dr gamenya tambah menarik, n makes it more unpredictable.. turn yg brubah" membuat game lebih 'idup' lbh 'agresif' krn player 'dipaksa' merancang strategi yg fleksibel n/or punya plan b (backup plan)
here's a little sneak peek..
d one i have is an international edition with language-independent components n 5 language-dependent rule booklets..
d Components :
- d Game Board - has 2 different sides, 1 with a sun symbol n 1 with a moon (for different scenarios)
- 53 Province Cards
- 25 War Chest Cards - a set of 5 cards for each player showing 0 to 5 gold chest for bidding purpose so what do u bid ?? ur turn yes gentlemen we have to bid our turn n special cards..
- 5 Special Cards - each granting its owner a special privilege
- 10 Action Cards - used to indicate d order in which actions r carried out
- 12 Event Cards - with d top half showing an event that affects a specific action, n d bottom half showing d rice losses suffered by d players during winter rounds
- used to indicate players turn order
- 5 Individual Boards - with 2 different sides, players use d back side during d rest of d game to plan their actions
- 310 Colored Cubes - representing player armies with 62 in each player color
- 20 Green Cubes - representing neutral farmer armies
- 55 War Chests - representing currency (in gold)
- 5 Victory Point Markers - used to indicate each player's current victory pooints on d scoring track of d game board
- 5 Rice Markers - used to indicate each player's supply of provisions on d provision track of d game board
- 80 building tiles - 28 castles, 26 temples n 26 no theathers
- 42 Revolt Markers - used to indicate d level of unrest among d farmers in a province
- 1 3-Part Battle Tower - used to conduct battles (d coolest component )
- 1 Storage Tray - for sorting building tiles, revolt markers, n war chests
- 1 Supplement - to provide predetermined starting setup, a round overview, n an explanation of d cards
- 1 Set of Game Rules
d Goal :As warlords in 16th-century Japan, d players attempt to secure a position of dominance for their respective clans. D most successful Daimyo at d end of d game will become SHOGUN.. To do so he must deploy his armies with great skill. Each round, d players decide which of d actions r to be played out n in which of their provinces. If battle ensues between opposing armies, d unique Cubetower plays the leading role. The troops from both sides r thrown in together n d cubes that fall out at d bottom show who has won immediately. Owning provinces, temples, theaters n castles means points when scores are tallied. Whichever Daimyo has d highest number of points after the second tally becomes – SHOGUN! Round Overview :1. Spring - Lay out action cards
- Lay out special cards
- Plan actions / Bid for turn order
- Determine events
- Determine turn order
- Carry out actions
2. Summer - same as spring 3. Fall - same as spring 4. Winter - Rice losses / potential revolts
- Award victory points
- Remove revolt markers
- Draw 4 new event cards
- Reset rice markers to 0
5. Year End / Game End After Year 2 kira" segitu dulu d, ini gw rangkum dr berbagai sumber.. actually, quite simple koq nih gamenya.. dan yg pasti seru | |
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AvG Geek Wannabe
Jumlah posting : 28 Lokasi : karawaci Registration date : 01.02.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:51 am | |
| klo dibikin dari segi crita, kira" kyk gini : lo seorang jendral clan di jepang yg pgn jd penguasa mutlak sluruh jepang, utk it lo perlu wilayah, kekuasaan (rakyat), dan pengakuan (sama halnya kyk bikin negara baru) dlm waktu 2 tahun (1 tahun 4 musim) - Wilayah (propinsi) bs claim melalui pasukan lo, lo samperin dan lo dudukin (bisa daerah netral n bs jg daerah org) - Kekuasaan (rakyat) hal" yg perlu diperhatiin adlh apakah dgn menduduki suatu daerah, lo berkuasa atas daerah tsb ?? nope..!!! rakyat lah yg nentuin mreka mo dipimpin oleh siapa, dan itu adlh suatu ujian buat para daimyo dlm menangin hati mreka entah dgn cara pendekatan yg baik seperti halnya shingen takeda atau dgn cara diktator sperti halnya nobunaga atau contoh yg plng dket soeharto sebagai seorang jendral yg punya wilayah dan orang (pasukan maupun rakyat jelata) lo harus kasih makan mereka, dan harus menarik uang (pajak) untuk pembiayaan kampanye dirilo sebagai penguasa tunggal Jepang (trutama melalui perang) yg harus diingat, ga semua daerah mempunyai hasil panen yg baik n tingkat hidup tiap daerah pun berbeda (segi materi) so pajak yg lo dapet jg beda (dari daerah miskin ya dikid dr daerah tajir ya bnyk ) gt jg sama daerah yg bs lo jadiin base camp dmn sebaiknya elo bangun castle lo, temple lo, theater lo buat ngehibur rakyat krn ga semua daerah bs menampung tiga bangunan sekaligus karena masalah terrain.. kalau dalam mungut pajak dan/atau mungut hasil panen lo msk dlm kategori pemerasan, rakyat bakal revolt (ngeberontak) sama lo.. kalau daerah itu diserang, otomatis rakyat bkl ngebantuin musuh lo n bukan lo - yg terakhir Pengakuan : ini bakal lo dapet sejalan dgn perjalanan elo slama 2 tahun kampanye lo untuk jadi penguasa tunggal Jepang..!!! seorang SHOGUN..!!! pengakuan yg dtng bkn dr rakyat aj, tp jg daimyo" lainnya | |
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rbayu2 Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1263 Age : 50 Lokasi : Jakarta Kerjaan : Selling cotton Serius Gaming : August 2006 Registration date : 09.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:50 am | |
| mantap bro reviewnya... with pictures lagi jadi lebih menarik. | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:06 am | |
| keren ini game !!! mantep banget !!
kita serasa jadi penguasa...sepanjang taon siap2 kumpulin persiapan beras buat menghadapi musim dingin haha keren ! kalo lo ga sanggup ngatasin kelaparan bisa2 di demo nanti sama para peasant | |
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indofungames Geek Enthusiast
Jumlah posting : 954 Age : 47 Lokasi : Batam Kerjaan : Test Engineer Serius Gaming : 2002 Registration date : 07.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:49 pm | |
| @AvG keren banget oii reviewnya .. dah di upload di BGG? worth of several GeekGold tuh pasti ...
@kohee akbiat korban racun lu, gw beli ini game ... tapi guwa jujur suka sih ... he he he ... meskipun gak gitu laku di maenin di gaming grup gw ... mereka lebih suka game cinta damai gitu ... tapi memang Shogun ok bangets bro ... | |
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Steve Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1012 Age : 43 Lokasi : Puerto Rico Registration date : 28.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:30 pm | |
| wah keren neh game keknya, hehehe, masuk wishlist deh ntar kira2 kalo maen ber-2 masih seru ga ? kalo maen ber-4 itu bisa brp jam bro ? | |
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rbayu2 Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1263 Age : 50 Lokasi : Jakarta Kerjaan : Selling cotton Serius Gaming : August 2006 Registration date : 09.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:21 pm | |
| Kayaknya minimum playernya 3 deh. kecuali ada 2 player variantnya di BGG? | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:55 pm | |
| main nya cuma bisa ber 3 sampe ber 5 sih...tapi paling seru emang full ber 5 biar map nya terasa makin sesak !
btw...ini game pas gw, avg dkk cobain pertama kali....1 gamenya lama banget...berjam2.... karena sambil baca rules dan error2 !
skrg sih maen nya cepet...paling 1 game 1 jam lebih dikit lah... yg lama sih cuma planning nya...
gamenya terbagi ke 8 musim (8 turn) = jadi 2 tahun dimana tiap di akhir tahun (musim ke 4 dan ke 8 ) kita gak main normal...tapi kan itu musim dingin tiba, so kita calculate stock beras kita...kalo gak cukup bisa rebel tuh peasant2 nya !
di musim 1,2,3 dan, 5,6,7 kita bakal main normal...yakni begini:
tiap musim kita bakal execute 10 actions...nah action nya ini diacak ordernya...so kita cuma bisa liat 5 action pertama apa...yg 5 action sisanya ketutup haha jadi ga tau apa...action nya banyak ada mobilize, recruit troop, build bangunan dll
so kita kudu planning...10 actions itu kudu execute nya di propinsi apa aja (yg kita punya)...itu lah yg lama...btw planning nya bareng2...
selesai planning baru kita execute 1 1 berdasarkan order yg ada di musim itu contoh: action 1 ternyata recruit troop...player 1 recruit, lalu player 2 recruit, lalu so on sampe semua player recruit... masuk action 2....execute lagi...dari player 1 2 3 4 5....blablabla...
execute ini cepet kok...kalo dah sering maen bahkan masing2 execute nya almost simultaneous... | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:05 pm | |
| - Quote :
- Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.
--- Sun Tzu: The Art of War cucokk banget deh buat game ini ! | |
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RobinHood_01 Geek Adept
Jumlah posting : 277 Lokasi : Jakarta Registration date : 09.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:10 am | |
| gue kok liat combat system nya aneh gitu...cuman dicemplungin ke towernya. ok lah pake random system siapa yg survive, tp kok "mayat-mayat nya" gak dikeluarin dr tower yak, so di next battle, mereka bisa jadi zombie ikutan battle lagi dr dalem towernya itu | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:16 am | |
| iya itu sistem random nya karena ga pake dice
tapi kita jadi bisa perkirain...kira2 sisa brp warna tertentu yg nyangkut di dalem tower so ati2 kalo mo nyerbu org... | |
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idegila Geek Initiate
Jumlah posting : 56 Lokasi : Bandung Registration date : 27.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:29 am | |
| MANTABBBB Reviewnya, jadi bisa ngerti cara maennya, THANKS! | |
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AvG Geek Wannabe
Jumlah posting : 28 Lokasi : karawaci Registration date : 01.02.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:34 pm | |
| - kohee wrote:
- iya itu sistem random nya
karena ga pake dice
tapi kita jadi bisa perkirain...kira2 sisa brp warna tertentu yg nyangkut di dalem tower so ati2 kalo mo nyerbu org... ho oh bner bgt.. misalnya gw battle sama A yg emg punya troops lbh bnyk, then dia kalah.. di battle berikutnya klo ada yg ngajak battle A, walopun troops A dikid bgt tetep blm tentu dia kalah karena di battle sblmnya bnyk yg nyangkut.. klo dlm penerapan sbenarnya di dunia nyata mungkin faktor" kyk terrain yg bikin A kalah (misalnya daerah lembah, tanah longsor) ato malah sneak attack (krn klopun gw ngambil special card yg buat attack, nobody knows siapa n dimana yg bakal gw serang, bisa aj gw claim daerah kosong) inget ini game FFA, anything can happen klo misalnya di battle brikutnya A menang (krn bnyk yg nyangkut di tower peon-ny) dgn troops yg lbh sdikit ato mlah yg kluar dr tower lebih bnyk pasukannya (di daerah itu ada 3 n stelah battle jadi 5) bisa jd bnyk faktor, misalnya : - di troops lo ada pengkhianat di perang sbenarnya oranglah yg milih pemimpin yg dia ikuti, (bukan slalu krn duid ato skedar demi kemenangan) klo dia ga sepaham + ga suka dgn cara pandang pemimpinnya dia akan berpaling pd pemimpin yg lain contoh guan yu yg setia sm liu bei..
- trs untuk peon peasant (rakyat) klo blm ada revolt di daerah itu, peon yg kluar dr tower membantu lo, tp klo ada revolt ya.. otomatis dia ngebantuin musuh lo
thats why salah satu faktor jadi SHOGUN ya pengakuan lo bs punya darah bnyk n troops bnyk tp klo rakyat / pasukan ga suka sm lo, ap yg lo punya cm bom waktu.. | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Fri Feb 08, 2008 12:07 am | |
| hmm yg seru di game ini adalah...
PEASANTS ARE YOUR WORST ENEMY !!
inget rakyat juga manusia...lu mintain upeti terus lama2 berontak...
musim dingin ga lu kasih makan, berontak juga !
lu serbu daerah lawan yg pemerintahan nya sayang rakyat, mrk bakal bantu pertahanin...
kalo lu gak sayang2 sama rakyat lo, pas lu diserbu mrk bakal jadi gerakan underground buat ngacauin def elo wakakakak ! | |
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cottonkid Geek Adept
Jumlah posting : 341 Age : 37 Lokasi : Jakarta & Bandung Kerjaan : Carcassonne Addict Serius Gaming : Februari 2008 Registration date : 15.02.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:07 am | |
| jadi game shogun ini bangun kota, sambil ada perang2annya ya? mirip PC game Shogun total war, ato Rome total war dong? ada yg pernah mainin? lg penasaran nih ma ni game, calon wishlist | |
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indofungames Geek Enthusiast
Jumlah posting : 954 Age : 47 Lokasi : Batam Kerjaan : Test Engineer Serius Gaming : 2002 Registration date : 07.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:28 am | |
| betul ...
VP dari bangun province lebih besar dari hasil perang (nguasain province), so perang not a must in this game ...
malah kalo punya province kebanyakan, nanti bingung ngasih makan nya pas winter ... he he he ... | |
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cottonkid Geek Adept
Jumlah posting : 341 Age : 37 Lokasi : Jakarta & Bandung Kerjaan : Carcassonne Addict Serius Gaming : Februari 2008 Registration date : 15.02.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:57 am | |
| mending shogun apa primordial soup? | |
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deadwood Geek Counselor
Jumlah posting : 2716 Age : 40 Lokasi : Binus, JakBar Kerjaan : Part Time BoardGamer Serius Gaming : April 2008 Registration date : 25.03.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:09 am | |
| hmmm , 2 game itu rada beda sih mekaniknya .. menurut gw mungkin shogun lebih berat level`nya dibanding primordial soup ... PS kayana lebih fun yah maen`nya ... tp cuma bisa 4 orang saja ... | |
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Brodi Geek Enthusiast
Jumlah posting : 634 Age : 46 Lokasi : East Jakarta Kerjaan : Program Manager Sales Serius Gaming : since october 2006 Registration date : 10.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:37 pm | |
| - rbayu2 wrote:
- mantap bro reviewnya... with pictures lagi jadi lebih menarik.
awas diterjemahin ke english buat ambil GG, untung pertempuran sudah berakhir | |
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Brodi Geek Enthusiast
Jumlah posting : 634 Age : 46 Lokasi : East Jakarta Kerjaan : Program Manager Sales Serius Gaming : since october 2006 Registration date : 10.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:40 pm | |
| - cottonkid wrote:
- mending shogun apa primordial soup?
primordiasl soup aja, gampang mekaniknya tapi sangat dalam distrateginya, trus bisa backstabbing juga karna bisa bunuh amoeba lawan gwe waktu maen shogun dulu ngga kalah sih, tapi koq ya ngga seasik amoeba dalam soup | |
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indofungames Geek Enthusiast
Jumlah posting : 954 Age : 47 Lokasi : Batam Kerjaan : Test Engineer Serius Gaming : 2002 Registration date : 07.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:51 pm | |
| - deadwood wrote:
- hmmm , 2 game itu rada beda sih mekaniknya .. menurut gw mungkin shogun lebih berat level`nya dibanding primordial soup ... PS kayana lebih fun yah maen`nya ... tp cuma bisa 4 orang saja ...
pake expansion Freshly Spiced nya bisa untuk ber-5 dan 6 tuh ... | |
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RobinHood_01 Geek Adept
Jumlah posting : 277 Lokasi : Jakarta Registration date : 09.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:56 pm | |
| hushh....ini di review nya shogun kok malah jadi nge-recommend primordial soup ya??? hehehehe,...tp gue juga ikutan vote for primordial soup aahh | |
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kohee Geek Veteran
Jumlah posting : 1208 Age : 40 Lokasi : jakarta Kerjaan : Technical Consultant Serius Gaming : January 2007 Registration date : 08.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:25 pm | |
| minjem tag line nya warhammer 40k ah - Quote :
- in the grim darkness of soup...there is only poop!!
minjem tag line nya a game of thrones - Quote :
- When you play the game of soup, you eat or you poop. There is no middle ground.
minjem tag line nya alien - Quote :
- in soup, no one can hear you poop
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RobinHood_01 Geek Adept
Jumlah posting : 277 Lokasi : Jakarta Registration date : 09.01.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:54 am | |
| so in primordial soup : don't eat where you poop, and don't poop where you will eat... huahahaha,...to survive you'll need to eat someone else's poop !! | |
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deadwood Geek Counselor
Jumlah posting : 2716 Age : 40 Lokasi : Binus, JakBar Kerjaan : Part Time BoardGamer Serius Gaming : April 2008 Registration date : 25.03.08
| Subyek: Re: SHOGUN Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:17 pm | |
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