Definisi Ameritrash

mungkin disini bisa diperjelas dan disticky, khususnya buat newcomer bisa ngerti apa itu ameritrash dan game mana yg bisa masuk kategori ini
tempat dan waktu saya persilakan

kalau dr yg gw baca bbrp karakter yg melekat kuat di genre ameritrash :
- high luck factor (biasanya dicefest)
- high random factor
- theme`nya unik dan melekat kuat sekali di dalam game`nya (bukan abstrak sama sekali)
- mekanik gameplay yg jenius (kadang2 kelewat berat untuk sebagian orang)
- playtime yang lama
- rulebook yg bikin mabok ....

contoh game`nya : ffg games

setuju2 dengan reyner

bagaimana dari segi :

1. art nya?
2. tema nya?

Dan tolong dibahas sekalian mengapa Board Game from Amerika mengandung unsur kata "trash" yang berarti sampah hehe

tolong bpk. Reyner, PhD menjelaskan....

selaen itu biasanya lebih mentingin tema...bahkan ke hal2 kecil juga dibikinin rule khususnya / componentnya...misal untuk 1 event card aja sampe ada counter khususnya...padahal tuh event lom tentu keluar...ini yg kalo ga salah di bgg disebut chrome

dibanding euro yg cuma mekanik, trus tema nya dicari yg kira cocok...langsung ditempel gitu aja...

bisa ditambahin juga gak kalo ameritrash tuh gamenya rata2 lama maennya (di atas 3 jam)?

betul betul ... misalnya Marvel Heroes ... semua yang dibilang reyner, kohee, and ricky, ada di game yang satu ini ...

nah yg gw blm tau kenapa sebutan`nya ameri"trash" yah ?

nih dari Wiki BGG


What is Ameritrash?

From the BoardgameGeek Glossary:
Ameritrash is "a catchphrase for 'American style boardgames.' In general, this means games that emphasize a highly developed theme, player to player conflict, and usually feature a moderate to high level of luck."

There is a great deal of dispute over what Ameritrash means, even when it is accepted as a meaningful term. Many gamers would never call the "old" Avalon Hill a producer of Ameritrash. Ameritrash means something to most hobby gamers, but what it means still varies somewhat across communities.

In sum, the concrete definition of "Ameritrash" is considered by some to be hazy.

Examples:
Dune
Axis and Allies
Battlestations
Cosmic Encounter
Talisman
Twilight Imperium
Divine Right



What is not Ameritrash?

Ameritrash games do not include the popular genre of Eurogames. In fact, many gamers find that these two genres focus on very different aspects of gaming. Simply put, Eurogames tend to focus on streamlined, well-balanced play, with a mimimal theme and more abstracted game mechanics, while Ameritrash focuses more on theme and dramatic gameplay.

Examples of Eurogames:
Puerto Rico
Caylus
El Grande

Ameritrash games also do not include traditional wargames. These tend to focus on history and detail to a level that would probably not appeal to the typical Ameritrash gamer.


Examples of Wargames:
Advanced Squad Leader (ASL)
Bonaparte at Marengo
PanzerBlitz


What About Hybrids?

Hybrid games are by definition part Eurogame and part Ameritrash. So in a sense they are both.

Examples:
Warrior Knights


What About Waros?

Waro games are by definition part Eurogame and part Wargame. These can be difficult to classify. In general, most Waros would not be considered Ameritrash, especially those with very Euro-like themes and mechanics.

Examples:
Mare Nostrum


What About Mass-Market American Games?

Some mass-market American games can be considered Ameritrash, but many are not. The distinction is typically in the theme. A fantasy RPG style game such as TSR's Dungeon is clearly Ameritrash because it has a highly developed fantasy theme. On the other hand, an abstract game such as Scrabble would not be considered Ameritrash.

Examples:
Monopoly - a more traditional mass-market game; some luck and some player interaction (including player elimination, usually not found in Eurogames)
Diplomacy - an older game with no luck and simple game mechanics, but high player conflict (including player elimination)
Civilization - a game with minimal luck, lots of theme and some player conflict


Ameritrash Publishers

The following publishers have published a significant number of Ameritrash titles:
Games Workshop - published a large number of Ameritrash titles in the 80's
Fantasy Flight Games - currently the leading publisher of Ameritrash titles, many of which are Games Workshop reprints
Avalon Hill - classic publisher of many Ameritrash titles. Purchased by Hasbro.
Avalon Hill (Hasbro) - the reincarnation of Avalon Hill, which has published many of the more recent titles.


Controversy

Some people feel that the term "Ameritrash" is unnecessarily negative and prefer not to use it. Others feel that the reference to America is a problem because not all of these games are published in America. Suggested alternative terms include Amerigames, Amerigold, and Ameritreasure. To date none of these has gained traction.

info dari internet:

"Anyway, to get back to the discussion... a guy down in Georgia named Robert Martin coined a new term for a genre of games, most of them dating well back into the 80's and 90's but some not even published yet. He calls these games Ameritrash. By that I think he's being both sarcastic - taking a sucker punch at the EuroSnoots while getting crowd support - and he's being self-effacing. Humble even. What Robert has created with his list of Ameritrash games is a groundswell of public support for a wide range of games that have been specifically or generically panned by the oppossing EuroSnoot party on BGG."

ini link ke postingan si Robert Martin di BGG:
Ameritrash wiki page added

dan ini link langsung ke BGG Wiki nya:
BGG WIki: Ameritrash

satu lagi tulisan yang mungkin berguna oleh Jeremy Kalgreen:
The Whimsical Nature of Ameritrash

Long answer:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Ameritrash

Analytical (and good) answer:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/1268120#1268120

Intinya sih, kalo aku boleh ambil kesimpulan, Ameritrash lebih mementingkan tema, drama dan tension saat bermain. Mekanisme dibikin berdasarkan tema, bukan bikin mekanisme dulu baru cari tema apa yang cocok, yang biasa dilakukan oleh eurogames.

Edit: Beuuuh lagi ngetik, trus kompie restart2, ternyata udah dijawab . Pada rajin semua nih:lol!:

tul ... jadi kalo mau immersed ke dalem tema gamenya ... ameritrash lah yg tepat !

which is why gw demen banget sama ameritrash...

Kemarin sempat main dengan expansion ketemu combo yang asyik :

1. Toxic Excretion , ini yang bokernya beracun bisa ngasih damage, ditambah dengan ....
2. Clean (aku rada lupa judulnya, perlu cek), ini bokernya bisa ditaruh di space yang sebelah.

Ibarat ngelempar granat poop ke musuh

Adhika

gua rasa masing2 punya kelebihannya sendiri2.

ameritrash temanya lebih deep, lebih berasa kalo lagi maen. bener2 bisa menghayati deh...

eurogame memang bener kayaknya didesign mekaniknya dulu baru temanya dicari jadi mostly abstrak. keuntungannya adalah mekaniknya yang brilliant dan ditambah playtimenya yang very short bisa dimaenin dimana saja dan kapan saja (even in a coffee shop). will take 2 hour of gameplay at most.

adhikayev wrote:

Kemarin sempat main dengan expansion ketemu combo yang asyik :

1. Toxic Excretion , ini yang bokernya beracun bisa ngasih damage, ditambah dengan ....
2. Clean (aku rada lupa judulnya, perlu cek), ini bokernya bisa ditaruh di space yang sebelah.

Ibarat ngelempar granat poop ke musuh

Adhika

ini kayanya salah reply deh .. mestinya di thread sebelah ..

waaaaaw....gile...banyak bener tambah pengetahuan gw..haha

g sangka ya ada gabungan euro & ameritrash...contohnya game gabungan selaen di atas ap y?

menurut temen2 gimana rasanya maen game yang fusi euro & ameritrash gt? tambah keren?/ malah jadi ancur? hehe

contoh euro ameri sebenernya twilight imperium (ada mekanik role selection seperti Puerto rico)

trus ada lg euro + war yg disebut2 weuro seperti Shogun / Wallenstein,
a game of thrones juga bisa masuk ke kategori itu dan mungkin nanti Senji juga bisa masuk kesana.

kohee wrote:

contoh euro ameri sebenernya twilight imperium (ada mekanik role selection seperti Puerto rico)

trus ada lg euro + war yg disebut2 weuro seperti Shogun / Wallenstein,
a game of thrones juga bisa masuk ke kategori itu dan mungkin nanti Senji juga bisa masuk kesana.

o gt...justru game pertama FFG itu euroameri y...haha ic ic